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James Fiennes, 1st Baron Say and Sele[1]

Male 1394 - 1450  (56 years)

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  • Name James Fiennes 
    Suffix 1st Baron Say and Sele 
    Birth 1394  Hurstmonceaux, Sussex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Death 4 Jul 1450 
    Burial All Hallows, Grey Friars, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Notes 
    • http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/FIENNES.htm#James%20FIENNES%20(1º%20B.%20Say%20and%20Sele)

      For service in the Hundred Years War in France, Henry V awarded him with the lordship of Court-le-Comte, the governorship of Arques, and Captain-Generalship of towns on the Seine. He built Knole, co. Kent, with spoils from service in France. From the time he attended «b»Henry VI«/b» at his coronation in Paris in 1431, he steadily advanced in royal offices including those of King's Serjeant, Knight of the Body, Constable of Dover Castle, Warden of the Cinque Ports, King's Chamberlain, member of the Privy Council, Constable of the Tower, and finally Treasurer of England. This latter position he held from 22 Sep 1449 until 22 Jun 1450 when the weak «b»Henry VI«/b» yielded to the indictment of the House of Commons scapegoating «b»Fiennes«/b» for the loss of Anjou and Maine and remanded him to the Tower. While awaiting trial, «b»Jack Cade«/b»'s mob seized him in the Tower and dragged him to the Standard at Cheapside where he was beheaded\emdash his gory end being dramatized in Shakespeare's «i»Henry VI«/i».
      «b»James Fiennes«/b» was created Baron Saye and Sele by Letters Patent from «b»Henry VI«/b» by 24 Feb 1447 and summoned to Parliament for the first time 3 Mar 1447. Geoffrey White concluded that although the actual patent disappeared and was never enrolled there could be no doubt that the remainder vested to the heirs male of the body of the grantee and that the title did not arise from a writ of summons that at that time probably would have descended to heirs general. These tangled claims have led historians and genealogists astray. This compound title was partly personal, commemorating the grantee's descent from his grandmother's family, the Lords Say, a title since 1399 in abeyance between the heirs of «b»Idonea Say Clinton«/b» and «b»Joan Say Fiennes«/b»; and partly territorial, after Sele, formerly called Beeding, a priory in Saumur, co. Kent. After becoming a peer, he abandoned the Fiennes arms, Azure, three lions rampant or, for those of the Lords Say, Quarterly, or and gules. Sir Anthony Wagner links these arms with the families of Beauchamp of Bedford, Clavering, Lacy, and Vere because they, as well as the Saye family, were all connected with the rebel «b»Earl of Essex, Geoffrey De Mandeville«/b», who died in 1144. They are based on the quarterly coat of or and gules adopted by Essex
    Person ID I46656  Glenn Cook Family
    Last Modified 27 Nov 2007 

    Father Sir William Fiennes, Sheriff of Surrey and Sussex,   c. 1 Aug 1357, Hurstmonceaux, Sussex, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 18 Jan 1402 (Age ~ 44 years) 
    Mother Elizabeth Battisford   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Marriage Abt 1382  Wartling, Sussex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F4685  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Emmeline Crowmer   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Marriage Abt 1419  Willingham, Cambridgeshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. Elizabeth Fiennes,   b. Bef 1448, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Aft 1459, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 12 years)
     2. William Fiennes, 2nd Baron Saye and Sele,   b. Abt 1442, Broughton Castle, Oxfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 14 Apr 1471 (Age ~ 29 years)
    Family ID F551611183  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 27 Nov 2007 

  • Sources 
    1. [S27] http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/.