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Esther Serle |
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Female |
| Death |
Yes, date unknown |
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- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~chute/gp3870.htm#head8
Lieutenant Colonel Robert Torrens and Esther Serle Torrens.
There is something of the same difficulty with the Irish/British Chute-Torrens line as there is with the Bethersden Chute line: there are too many of them identically named, and too many conflicting records to separate them all just yet.
The first issue is determining which Richard Chute of Roxburgh (Sr. or Jr.) had the daughter who married which Torrens (John or Robert). «i»County Familes of the United Kingdom«/i» (see below) has Lieutenant-Colonel Robert Torrens, son of "the late John Torrens", marrying a "Miss Chute"; The Torrens Family records have conflicting reports on the same individual, but in either case is the son of a Robert Torrens:
"112. «b»Colonel Robert Torrens4«/b» (Robert3 Robert2 Thomas1), the Political Economist; served in the army; became Colonel in 1837; went to South Australia, where Lake Torrens and Torrens River are named in his honor. Adelaide is situated on its banks. He was a writer, editor, and economist. He married, but the name of his wife is not known to the compiler." Note that based on the «i»County Families«/i» entry, below, this record appears to describe the son, not the father.
Another link to the same individual (under his father's data) reads: "507. Robert Torrens3 (Robert2 Thomas1), of Hervey Hill, Ireland, married Elizabeth Bristow, born in the neighboring parish of Rasharkin. Child of Robert and Elizabeth (Bristow) Torrens: i. «b»Colonel Robert Torrens4«/b» married Charity, daughter of Richard Chute of Roxburgh, co. Kerry.
Source of the Torrens Family data: «i»Torrence and Allied Families«/i», by Robert M. Torrence. "The book was privately published in 1938 by Robert McIlvane Torrence, as a sequel to Jared Sidney Torrance's book «i»The Descendants of Lewis Hart and Anne Elliott«/i». It has been transcribed to this site." Site author: Richard Torrens.
Site URL: «u»<http://www.4qd.org/torrens/books/rmt15.html>«/u»
Robert (the son of Charity Chute and her husband) did appear to have a brother named John, however: in «i»England and Wales Visitations, Vol I-XIV«/i», under the Pedigree of the Cockerell Family, there is record of a John Cockerell marrying "Henrietta Frances, eldest dau. of Henry Torrens of the Bengal Civil Service ... she married 1stly «u»John Samuel Torrens«/u», Judge of the Sudder Court, Bengal, India, who died at 16, Porchester Terrace, North Kensington Gardens, London, on 2 JUN 1860, and was buried in Kensal Green Cemetery, London (no record in Register). Will dated 24 APR 1860, proved (Prin. Reg., 491,60) 9 JUL 1860, by «u»Robert Torrens«/u» of 180 Picadilly, co. Middlesex, M.P., the brother ..." (Page 34).
It is assumed "the brother" is of the deceased, not of the widow. This John Torrens would have been the son of (Robert or John) and Charity Chute Torrens, and may have been named after his father, or may be confused with his brother by genealogists. In any case, this record should not be considered complete or even accurate; more research needs to be done - although hopefully not by us, as we have enough eyeball-spinning problems with our «u»own«/u» records. All commentary, additional information, brilliant insight and breaking news on the Torrens - Torrance front by Torrens researchers are more than welcome.
TORRENS, Lieut.-Col. Robert.
Son of the late John Torrens, Esq., of Londonderry, by Miss Chute; b. 179 -; m. 1820 Esther, dau. of the late Ambrose Serle, Esq., Commissioner of the Board of Trade. Is a Lieut.-Col. in the Army, retired; formerly properietor and editor of the «i»Globe«/i» newspaper; was M.P. for Ashburton 1831-2, for Bolton 1833-4. United Service Club, 16, Cravan Hill, Hyde Park.
Source: «i»The County Families of the United Kingdom or Royal Manual of the Titled and Untitled Aristocracy of Great Britain and Ireland.«/i» Edward Walford, M.A. 1864, Robert Hardwicke, 192, Piccadilly, Second Edition. Page 991.
TORRENS, ROBERT (1760-1864), political economist; cousin of Sir Henry Torrens [q.v.] ; as captain in royal marines defended Isle of Anholt against the Dutch, 1811; colonel of Spanish legion in Penninsular war; colonel 1837; publshed «i»An Essay on the External Corn Trade«/i», 1815 and «i»An Essay on the Reduction of Wealth«/i», 1821; one of the first economists to attribute production of wealth to land, labour and capital; influenced Peel and Ricardo; M.P., Ashburton 1831-5; advocated colonisation of South Australia, and published book on the subject, 1835; editor of the «i»Traveller«/i» and «i»Globe«/i». F.R.S., 1818.
Source: «i»The Concise Dictionary of National Biography«/i», Founded in 1882 by George Smith, Oxford University Press, London, Geoffrey Cumberlege Pub. London, Publisher to Oxford Universty, 1953 Edition.
«b»Record Type:«/b» Book
«b»Title:«/b» The County Families of the United Kingdom or Royal Manual of the Titled and Untitled Aristocracy of Great Britain and Ireland
«b»Author:«/b» Edward Walford, M.A.
«b»Date:«/b» 1864
«b»Publisher:«/b» Robert Hardwicke, 192, Piccadilly
«b»Edition:«/b» Second Edition
«b»Pages:«/b» 202, 203, 231
«b»This Source Has Been Cited for:«/b» «u»Francis Blennerhassett Chute «/u», «u»Captain Rowland John Chute IV «/u», «u»William Lyde Wiggett Chute «/u», «u»Falkiner Cooke, Esq. «/u», «u»Maurice Fitzgerald Sandes «/u», «u»William Sandes, Esq. «/u», «u»Thomas Sandes, D.P., J.L.«/u» and Elizabeth Chute Sandes, «u»Charles Higgs, Esq. «/u» and «u»Lieutenant Colonel Robert Torrens «/u».
«b»GROUP NO:«/b» Chute Family Records/GP3940-0 (Frances Blennerhassett Chute) and GP390-0 (William Lyde Wiggett Chute)
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I56190 |
Glenn Cook Family |
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